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Pwnallthethings
Pwnallthethings • mastodon (AP)
So these AI chats are pretty cool.

One thing that's gonna cause some problems tho is that they sound really really convincing while sometimes being extremely extremely wrong
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Joe Uchill
Joe Uchill • mastodon (AP)
Me too, AI. Me too.
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Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified:
Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified: • mastodon (AP)
As someone else said, all it needs to give a TED talk is adding inspirational background graphics
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ares
ares • mastodon (AP)
as with self-driving, ai chats don't have to be perfect, they just need to be better than the average human
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Rich Felker
Rich Felker • mastodon (AP)
So they're competing with the orange site?
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Pwnallthethings
Pwnallthethings • mastodon (AP)
A zillion ways this revolution is going to be great.

One way that's going to suck tho is in places where human interactions are a *useful* friction / proof-of-work. When it's not, those systems will get really overloaded
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Pwnallthethings
Pwnallthethings • mastodon (AP)
Few examples:

1. Online troll bots & fake personalities
It's going to get a *lot* harder to distinguish bots from people and much easier to create entirely fictitious credible online personalities to troll/harass/do crime

2. Persuasive letters by e.g. constituents to regulators.
Volume of (~sensible, unique) letters was a valid indication of sentiment. Soon won't be.

3. Ransomware victim communications & negotiations
Used to be one of the few costly areas in scale. Not for long
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ares
ares • mastodon (AP)
so you're saying we could automate discussions with reinstated haters on the other place

even more diabolical than shadowbans
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Pwnallthethings
Pwnallthethings • mastodon (AP)
4. Places where writing is assessed for cash or credit

Going to be much easier for e.g. students to fake/plagiarize essays or other homework for-credit

Combatting that will probably eventually force schools and universities towards towards more heavy focus on proctored work (exams, supervised essay writing) (ugh)

Going to be much easier to create fake-news clickbait farms too for ~ the same reason
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Steve
Steve • mastodon (AP)
That latter one is going to suck. While systems like turn-it-in served the last 2 decades well for catching plagiarism, they really can't work with "an AI generated this to be genuinely unique, but not demonstrate student knowledge on the subject"
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Pwnallthethings
Pwnallthethings • mastodon (AP)
What worries me a bit here is that in trying to preserve some of these systems, there'll probably be a lot of folks pushing tech designed to *prove* humanness to combat it. And politicos and regulators are less likely to hear that and think "guess they should use creative CAPTCHAs" and more likely to think "oh, people should upload passports", and that's gonna be a whole new shitshow
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Pwnallthethings
Pwnallthethings • mastodon (AP)
Also excited for the new era of "who is liable when the AI tells you to cook the frozen Turkey in the deep-fryer" / "can you maliciously interact as user A with the AI, such that the AI interacts with user B and advises them to do X" wars
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Pwnallthethings
Pwnallthethings • mastodon (AP)
Anyway. New world. New cool stuff. New unforeseen challenges. Gonna be weird.
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Jordy :chaos_emerald_blue:​
Jordy :chaos_emerald_blue:​ • mastodon (AP)
gonna be super weird. 🫣
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Pwnallthethings
Pwnallthethings • mastodon (AP)
Gonna add one point to this, since it's easy to focus on the downsides. There's some great stuff too.

One way AI is going to be *fantastic* is for accessibility. Imagine, for example, tools that summarize pictures as the default text for alt-text fields, making it faster and easier to make apps and sites accessible by default.

Another is making cool learning technologies, especially for beginners. Turning text into example code and vice-versa is a great learning tool!
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Pwnallthethings
Pwnallthethings • mastodon (AP)
And enabling technical creativity, especially by young folks / non-tech folks.

Imagine kids can *describe* a level they want to play as the starting point for making games to share with each other.

So, yes, big change comes with new risks, but also no shortage of new opportunities.

Alas, like most change, will be hard to see exactly how those shoes drop and the balance shifts across society in response until they do though.
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That Anonymous Coward
That Anonymous Coward • mastodon (AP)
I think we shoudl rethink the Turing Test.

I think a much more valid test would be any AI that can understand & explain copyright law without exploding.
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Allan Chow
Allan Chow • mastodon (AP)
the scope of such a thing needs to be contained otherwise you can quickly get into a djinn giving you a million bucks or a 10 inch pianist territory quickly.
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Allan Chow
Allan Chow • mastodon (AP)
this is something pixel press should look into!
http://www.projectpixelpress.com/#left-and-right
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S★m V★rm★
S★m V★rm★ • mastodon (AP)
I was at an event this weekend for a biotech company that uses AI to create novel cancer treatments. Everyone at the table was convinced this is a net good for society, and that the field of medicine is more equitable than other tech-adjacent spaces. I argued that, just like everything else, the benefits will split 80/20, with the lower 80% of the population getting only 20% of the benefit.

I believe that #AI will disrupt faster than any rebalancing across society.
#ai
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Roy Wiggins
Roy Wiggins • mastodon (AP)
it's shockingly good at just taking descriptions of a text adventure and generating an entire game. I asked it for a Thomas Hardy-based text adventure here:
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Rachel
Rachel • mastodon (AP)
I just uploaded some screenshots with text, and clicked the add alttext automatically, and it did a pretty great job!

Would be neat for people viewing the post to have the same button!
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Daniel Howard 🌻
Daniel Howard 🌻 • mastodon (AP)
In the day, folks were concerned that writing would destroy our ability to think because we wouldn't have to keep everything in our heads. That's a fair concern, too. And the world keeps turning.
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🦄 Vlt (Cédric Hebert) 🇫🇷
🦄 Vlt (Cédric Hebert) 🇫🇷 • mastodon (AP)
The training aspect is great, let's see where this will go. The AI created a CTF challenge and it's write-up upon my request, but the answer came with a "this request might violate our code of conduct".
I hope infosec learning won't be sacrificed in the name of security!
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Dante Mercurio
Dante Mercurio • mastodon (AP)
Text to example code is a very cool use case. I’d look forward to that.
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IsWacky
IsWacky • mastodon (AP)
I asked of openai playground bot the following request:

Ralph Nader said, "Republicans stab you in the front." The implication is that Democrats stab you, the voter, in the back. Please show examples of republicans stabbing you in the front.

It puzzled out the Q and gave a good answer!
(Cont'd)
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Brian Grinter
Brian Grinter • mastodon (AP)
it would make it easy to add alt text here

But you just know some will abuse it for all the wrong reasons
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bigiain
bigiain • mastodon (AP)
This could make adversarial image attacks fun again!

https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/2/16597276/google-ai-image-attacks-adversarial-turtle-rifle-3d-printed
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Fish Id Wardrobe
Fish Id Wardrobe • mastodon (AP)
tools that summarise pictures in a way that "sounds convincing but can be really really wrong"…?
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Wendell Bell
Wendell Bell • mastodon (AP)
Go though a Good Housekeeping/Underwood Labs 'Seal of Approval' portal?
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Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified:
Adam Shostack :donor: :rebelverified: • mastodon (AP)
"It is not recommended to cook a frozen turkey in a deep fryer. Turkeys should be thawed completely before being cooked in a deep fryer to ensure even cooking and prevent the risk of fire...."
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Mark Gardner
Mark Gardner • mastodon (AP)
“AIs don’t kill people, #AI #programmers and trainers do”?
#ai #programmers
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@krisnelson
@krisnelson • mastodon (AP)
I will say that as of now, of all the worries people express about AI, who is liable is one of the lower on my list. It won’t take very long for lawyers to sort this out—and we’ll just start by suing absolutely everyone in sight to see what it sticks to, probably beginning with the theory they (programmers, host, referrer, everyone) are all jointly and severally liable for anything and everything.
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Andrei Kucharavy
Andrei Kucharavy • mastodon (AP)
you don’t want to know how easy are those models to hijack, especially on niche topics. At some point on Twitter I had a thread of Google search results that had artifacts due to errors in parsing or short-term fads that affected search results in a durable manner by creating an association between terms.
Given the linguistic specificity of different population sub-groups, you can also target the hijack to a specific sub-group you might need to influence/hurt/…
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ScatalogicAI
ScatalogicAI • mastodon (AP)
I don't understand why the AI keeps telling me to put a Sharpie in my butt.
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Nour Agha :popos:
Nour Agha :popos: • mastodon (AP)
At this point, some digital passport standard in the future feels inevitable.
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Pwnallthethings
Pwnallthethings • mastodon (AP)
@Nour Probably. Also I hate it.
@Nour Agha :popos:
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Nour Agha :popos:
Nour Agha :popos: • mastodon (AP)
It already sort of exists with stuff like Keybase and Keyoxide where you cryptographically verify your social identities and online presence, so I imagine governments would use a standard that builds on top of that. But
yeah.
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Enrique Barcelli
Enrique Barcelli • mastodon (AP)
Have been thinking about this issue too, and I don't see how we can effectively prove we are humans through a software endpoint which is also available to a bot, unless we have a global/national complete record of humans identified with private/public keypairs.

AI is already capable of defeating our most creative CAPTCHAs.

These efforts are already existing in some countries. #Singapore #SingPass is actually this.

1/2
#singapore #singpass
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Wry Shupe 🌲
Wry Shupe 🌲 • mastodon (AP)
The educators in all areas I speak to are trying to get a handle on this.

Flipped curriculum (lectures recorded, classes proving comprehension in lab form) is actually how I'd like to learn if I was going to school again, and addresses this.

Unfortunately it also likely pressures people with learning styles that don't do well in that environment.
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Mark Gardner
Mark Gardner • mastodon (AP)
It’s OK, the textbooks and lectures will be #AI - generated too
#ai
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Michael S. Kirkpatrick ♾☸️⛷
Michael S. Kirkpatrick ♾☸️⛷ • mastodon (AP)
Even proctoring is going to be hard. Tools like Copilot make it easy for students to “take” a coding exam with little effort if they have Internet access. It’ll be the same for other types of written work.
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Nathan Arthur
Nathan Arthur • mastodon (AP)
if the AI can credibly write the essay, why do students need to learn to write the essay? Why would students be expected to write that sort of thing in the “real world” if computers can already reliably do it well? (The only people who will need that skill are people who want that skill - so if they cheat, who cares?)
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RRB
RRB • mastodon (AP)
But you know that the universities will on!y install automated graders to save money, so you end up with a GAN
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Paul Coen
Paul Coen • mastodon (AP)
I do feel like demonstrations of mastery via discussions, in tutorials, and apprenticeship (collaborating on research, etc) could actually be better anyway, but they’re labor intensive.

Probably will be more focus on showing all stages of work during longer term projects. Which would have been tough for me - I was a “structure the paper in my head and write it in one go” kid. I’d edit and revise, obviously.
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Ed Sanders
Ed Sanders • mastodon (AP)
My first thought on seeing this was “so long to one of the easiest ways to spot phishing attempts.

Bad grammar was always the first tell.
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Henry Farrell
Henry Farrell • mastodon (AP)
Bruce Schneier and I had a piece on this a while back - https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/05/20/ai-bots-grassroots-astroturf/. Not that it was exactly hard to predict.
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MJS :trans:
MJS :trans: • mastodon (AP)
Especially as machine learning gets better at emulating expected norms. https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/11/23/1063648/metas-game-playing-ai-can-make-and-break-alliances-like-a-human/

Meta’s game-playing AI can make and break alliances like a human

It could be a step toward building AIs that can handle complex problems requiring compromise.
Will Douglas Heaven (MIT Technology Review)
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Georgeann
Georgeann • mastodon (AP)
You probably already know this but when I went to search mastodon for you and exact replica of you came up only the icon was in black and white and it was labeled bot.
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Enrique Barcelli
Enrique Barcelli • mastodon (AP)
this whole can of worms is pretty dangerous.

Imagine attacks with bots impossible to tell apart from humans to services like 911 or the suicide hotline? or how effective scams can be if a bot can effectively impersonate your mum, your partner or your child?

Yes, there is a very problematic world ahead of us, and I think the breakthroughs are not going to be in the AI vs AI realm, but probably in the introduction of 'human-to-human stoppers' in critical points of the workflows.
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Mark Atwood
Mark Atwood • mastodon (AP)
if you follow and listen to randos you dont know, is it actually a harm if its an AI?
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whetstone
whetstone • mastodon (AP)
We’re going to have to go back to writing it in cursive on paper and mailing it in with a stamp
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Rich Felker
Rich Felker • mastodon (AP)
🤔 DoS courts with giant volume of realistic lawsuit filings with real scraped names and plausible circumstances. 😈😱
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GenKnoxx
GenKnoxx • mastodon (AP)
I asked Marv what’s going to
Happen…
Screenshot of GenKnoxx asking Marv the AI chatbot what’ll happen when AI generates everything. Marv says we will just complain that it isn’t good enough.
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Stever Robbins
Stever Robbins • mastodon (AP)
Technologists operate under the assumption that reducing friction is always good. I submit that many of our social problems today come from too little friction. From personalized on-demand media eroding formerly community experiences to one-click impulse purchasing.
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dr2chase
dr2chase • mastodon (AP)
Let me guess who explained all the things to these chatbots.
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Avi
Avi • mastodon (AP)
@Pwnallthethings
@Pwnallthethings
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William Gunn
William Gunn • mastodon (AP)
I asked for a recipe for leftover turkey from bonappetit. I got a recipe that looked just like one from NYT cooking, but it gave me a totally made up link to bonappetit because that's what I asked for.

I mean, literally a link to Bonappetit.com that returned 404.
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really? why?
really? why? • mastodon (AP)
the last thing the humans invented was an automated way to confuse others
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Pwnallthethings
Pwnallthethings • mastodon (AP)
@MootQuestion Doesn't scale for marking tho, (unless you can get an AI to do that too)
@MootQuestion
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Peter Principle
Peter Principle • mastodon (AP)
We're already there.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/11/18/1063487/meta-large-language-model-ai-only-survived-three-days-gpt-3-science/

Why Meta’s latest large language model survived only three days online

Galactica was supposed to help scientists. Instead, it mindlessly spat out biased and incorrect nonsense.
Will Douglas Heaven (MIT Technology Review)
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trimyak
trimyak • mastodon (AP)
I’ve been messing around with it getting it to write code for a bunch of stuff. One of the more fun things is coaxing it into writing simple malware examples- and then having it explain it, line by line. It’s really cool 😎
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Ag Terrane
Ag Terrane • mastodon (AP)
Lawyers are having a field day with these over at Popehat on twitter.
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Clara Listensprechen
Clara Listensprechen friendica
Marv the sarcastic AI? I thought Marv was a depressed paranoid.
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Humbird0 Fandom
Humbird0 Fandom • mastodon (AP)
A variation of this has already been a big problem for years with AI output often turning up in search results for fake SEO websites to generate sentences that look grammatically correct as a kind of advanced form of keyword-stuffing.

Nevermind that there's bound to be gullible people out there.

I swear, advertising ruins everything it touches.
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PunkLawyer
PunkLawyer • mastodon (AP)
Exactly this seductive danger of All digital technologies. They perform really well so much of the time that most people assume they perform well all of the time, which leads to disasters big and small.
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JamesTDG
JamesTDG • mastodon (AP)
they make me want to punch something a lot of the time
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Tess :knuckles:
Tess :knuckles: • mastodon (AP)
hahah just like half the men in my life #amiright
#amiright
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BostonPete
BostonPete • mastodon (AP)
Sounds like Trump
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antipode77
antipode77 • mastodon (AP)
Stay skeptic.
Validate 'facts' by using multiple sources.
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Tim Burnham 🇺🇸🇺🇦
Tim Burnham 🇺🇸🇺🇦 • mastodon (AP)
So these HUMAN chats are pretty cool.

One thing that's gonna cause some problems tho is that they sound really really convincing while sometimes being extremely extremely wrong
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Cameron Purdy
Cameron Purdy • mastodon (AP)
They have a future in politics?
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Matt J.
Matt J. • mastodon (AP)
To be honest that’s exactly what I sound like when I talk about #Pilates.

Emma (@sailhpy ) says I sound very convincing to people who don’t know anything. But I am a bluffer (and she is not).
#pilates @SailyHPY
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