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There's a kind of command line carcinization where computer people especially Linux people gradually gravitate to command line workflows because especially on Linux there's just too many times you open the GUI tool, get halfway through the task, and then realize the GUI tool can't actually do what you need and you need to start over with the command line version. When this happens enough times you just go to the command line first rather than potentially waste your time
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josef
•Sean Eric Fagan
•Un terrible AdRiANO de miedo
•Sean Eric Fagan
•Un terrible AdRiANO de miedo
•My name is Gordo (not really)
•Un terrible AdRiANO de miedo
•My name is Gordo (not really)
•mcc
•But now that I'm getting beyond basic use im definitely finding elements of their design philosophy… freakish. In ways I don't remember it being 20 years ago, exactly.
Isaac Ji Kuo
•Many of the big desktops simultaneously got weird ideas that they had to revamp their desktop UIs (Windows 8, KDE4, GNOME3, Ubuntu Unity).
I don't know what they all were thinking, but I ended up settling on XFCE, which presumably didn't have the resources to revamp everything for no reason.
Christopher McCurdy
•CohenTheBlue
•I find most things are doable in Gnome 3 using extensions or editing the config directly with dconf editor. I've used it for 7 years? Probably time to check out i3 again.
Dash to Panel is an important extension. Others are No overview at start-up, Pixel Saver, Quick Close in Overview, User Themes, Gamemode. Debian has packages for all of these, with the format "gnome-shell-extension-*" and some being in "gnome-shell-extensions-extra".
mcc
•I filed a bug, but stalebot keeps trying to close it. I think I found the bug site in the dash-to-panel source, but it's all uncommented JS, so I don't know what to do with it.
mcc
•boiert
•I’m happy the way things were going and confident of contemporary linux to be able to do most of the basic things the way you’d want to.
mcc
•boiert
•Even though I am able to use the terminal, I use it as little as I can.
I also have an example of where I am totally lost without a gui: parted or gparted ;) @CobaltVelvet
juv3nal
•but as a programmer, I'll oftentimes need to call something from within a program or shell script and while there *might* be a way to do that with a gui no way in hell I'm going to figure *that* shit out if a CL way exists.
mcc
•Dragon-sided D
•If your hands must constantly leave home position to fiddle with mouse
Ruth [☕️ 👩🏻💻📚✍🏻🧵🪡🍵]
•Me: I have no idea how to use that, Paint will do!
Biggles
•mcc
•Scherzog von Beast Oil
•Leon
•Zorro Notorious MEB 🪷🪷🪷
•I've never liked GUI tools or their bastard descendants web / mobile apps. They need to exist for people who aren't programmers, but they get in the way of people who are.
Cobweb 👹👻🕸️🎃
•mcc
•Scott Richmond
•mcc
•ocdtrekkie
•It still comes up in search and in the Control Panel, but both are redirected to Settings now. There's an invocation to launch it directly but it's sort of ridiculous.
Kyle Hasselbacher
•In tickets at work, in Slack, whatever, just copy and paste exactly the steps I took.
mcc
•i like gui better but i have this problem every time 🙁
stephen ryner jr. 🦉
•Steven D. Brewer 🏳️⚧️
•stephen ryner jr. 🦉
•Steven D. Brewer 🏳️⚧️
•mcc
•Steven D. Brewer 🏳️⚧️
•DB Schwein
•Max™
•Patrick Wyatt
•mcc
•Patrick Wyatt
•Then when I first learned git is was so alien. I eventually had to throw out my whole mental model for it being “like Perforce”, and learn from scratch.
mcc
•Negative12DollarBill
•jessica l. parsons
•And once you fall back to the shell it becomes an endless hell of gnuware so it’s winning all the way down!
Greg Bell
•patcanfield
•mcc
•patcanfield
•patcanfield
•patcanfield
•Alex White-Robinson
•mcc
•Alex White-Robinson
•Good callout, thanks for highlighting it
Nova🐧✨
•honestly I get why people hate CLI, I just want to DO an action and remembering the magic words is hard so I gotta look it up AGAIN
Rachel Rawlings
•William D. Jones
•SpaceLifeForm
•#Linux #UX
ShadSterling
•Adam Katz :donor:
•My own story of exodus to Linux, which took place during finals week in response to an unrecoverable BSOD, was that I had a checklist of items on which I still relied on Windows. The last items on that list were Explorer and some games that I knew I'd lose.
Nautilus, Konqueror, and their competitors couldn't cut it. As a result, I went headlong into the command line. This was really good for me. I haven't used a file manager since then.
loganer
•mcc
•loganer
•see, I don't get it.
I find the terminal to be quite comfortable.
... but that's the problem, I don't get what would be comfortable for the "normie".
Lesley M 🏴 🇪🇺
•Maybe because they lack the encyclopaedic knowledge if how the computer actually works, and which command line tool (plus switches) do which task.
Its easier for programmers and sys-admins because they know the tools and how the system is knitted together. Normies don't, and rely on good GUIs to guide them without making catastrophic mistakes that kill the system.
Plus, maybe some folk just don't like lots of typing.
Rhialto
•loganer
•it's old because it's good, it has survive the test of time.
mcc
•`Da Elf
•If I want a GUI output. I don't.
Pseudo Nym
•... In a locked filing cabinet, behind a sign saying "beware of jaguar"
Plaid
•Peter Bautista
•mcc
•mcc
2024-09-21 21:37:40
Howard Cohen for Harris/Walz
•Isaac Ji Kuo
•I think most CLI usage is based on laziness rather than power user elitism.
FKA ZOG
•While your GUI using colleagues take another 5 minutes to repeat the task, plus another 15 minutes of screenshotting to document.
glutto
•Brisingr05
•Joe
•mcc
•sunshine
•GNU/Matt :fedora: :kde:
•CohenTheBlue
•Rich Felker
•mcc
•This also means CLI tools retain design mistakes for twenty year periods, but perhaps a badly designed tool is better than an undocumented one, if those are the only choices.
Pendell from Eggbug
•Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊
•Updates to our service-side warehouse/stock management tool (and this has been in practically every job I've ever worked) oftentimes include GUI updates and new skins, which serve a dual benefit: they make it more difficult to find things in the first place, and they invalidate, or at least make harder-to-read, much of the documentation which has been painstakingly scraped together through years of experience. And attrition. Mind the dead bodies in that pitfall over there, they're a little ripe.
I guess being a GUI designer who can actually sell their shiny! new skins has to be good work, if you can get it. Kinda makes things hard on the rest of us, though.
mcc
•mcc
•mcc
2024-09-22 03:41:53
:startrek: As not seen on TV!
•mcc
•alexraffa :unverified:
•Fish Id Wardrobe
•`head -1 foo* |cut -c1-20 |tar cvzf file.tgz –`?
david_chisnall
•This is less true on Linux, where companies like Red Hat sell certifications and profit from gratuitously changing CLIs because they make the newer certifications valuable, but on other *NIX systems (and post-PowerShell Windows) it usually applies.
Rob Fahrni
•MaineC
•Barry Schwartz 🫖
•This is apparent to me because I predate Linux and predate GUIs. The whole IDEA of the Unix shell was to empower the command line. Other command line processors for similar computers did not do that. They merely ran programs.
((( David "Kahomono" Frier )))
Not true of Multics.
but then that was the direct ancestor of Unix.
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•axleyjc
•Except the CLI doesn't constantly prompt you to "use the GUI!"