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Gun Ownership vs. Gun Fetish

The #2A #Zealots and Status Symbol #GunOwner's make me think of the line, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" from William Shakespeare's Hamlet. In another way, their talk of "self-defense" reminds me of anti-gay #Conservative #Politicians who get caught in the act having #Gay relationships. #Hypocrisy!

I personally defend the second amendment (not zealously) and am convinced that it... show more
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OsakaAli diaspora
If ye love wealth better than liberty,
the tranquility of servitude
better than the animating contest of freedom,
go home from us in peace.
We ask not your counsels or your arms*.
Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains set lightly upon you,
and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.


*or your insidious rhetoric
I'm unsure why you decided to reply with this Sam Adams quote. I had no luck at all finding the context from where it was plucked. I'm also unsure if the additional asterisk you added was a slight towards me or just a clarification of "your counsels". Can you do some clarification for me? This quote is vague in context to my original post.
Penis envy is much more common among men than women. Guns are a substitute penis fetish. I'm not saying this to poke fun at our normal male inferiority complexes. We men are sporting animals. We're always comparing our rank in the pack. Guns are offensive weapons and terrible for defense. The defense of guns is a blind crotch grab at nothing.
Jordy diaspora
I can appreciate both commenters views. I would prefer to keep mine. Thank you for defending an ammendment you have no interest in Michael. That is something most will not do. I defend the 1st ammendment even in the face of big mouth types that have nothing valuable to say
My grandfather had a selection of rifles. I was inches away from accidentally being shot in the shoulder with a .22 by a best friend when I was showing them to him. =)) No gun safety being taught in my home. At that time, I didn't know that a stuck bolt meant a live round in the chamber. We even lied about the gun going off when questioned. The hole in the shower tile on the other side of the closet back wall gave us away. That near-miss didn't affect me much except to think more safely about guns. His collection was basically one for each unique hunting trip he went on in his life. I vaguely remember 7 rifles and no pistols. Many of my cousins are skilled with arms and grew up hunting because they couldn't afford grocery store meat.

As a former Marine, I can clearly see how a reasonably armed populous as individuals is a great hedge against a rogue turn of the government or an invading force, but I don't see that as an even remotely serious threat for even the coming century.

We do though have a very real, measurable, and growing problem with American terror... show more
Jordy diaspora
Keep my firearms that is.
OsakaAli diaspora
... to control slave populations.
Actually, you have that completely backwards. Gun control is meant to control slave populations ... of all ethnicities. Case in point.
... to control slave populations.

Actually, you have that completely backwards. Gun control is meant to control slave populations ... of all ethnicities. Case in point.


@OsakaAli while preparing to refute your claim, I found out I was in error. I remembered things very wrong. It was the centralized police forces that were married to the fugitive slave act. Sorry about that. Do you think I should edit the original post?

I had disorganized memories that stemmed from the connection between CBP's inception and xenophobic border militias (Part 1 &... show more
OsakaAli diaspora
@OsakaAli I’m unsure why you decided to reply with this Sam Adams quote ... a slight towards me or just a clarification of "your counsels". Can you do some clarification for me? This quote is vague in context to my original post.
The context, if I recall, @Michael Rupp, is in a letter from Adams to a loyalist before armed hostilities between the separatists and the forces of the crown commenced. It was a "parting ways" message to at least an acquaintance, and probably Adams' friend.

The reason I chose it is that despite your claims of defense of the 2A, the concerns that you raise about the motivations of gun owners, lawful gun owners that is, have to do with your assessment of their motives and character. The second amendment isn't a mandate, I reckon. It is an observation. The observation is that living beings must have recourse to self-defense in order to live. Without it they won't. Man, as the pinnacle of creation, is even more jus... show more
Oh boy Osaka Ali, I feel like this is becoming a conversation we should have in person at a coffee shop or something. Note that typically, but not always, if I don't directly address something you said, I probably agree with it.

Just as a note to the very first reply you made, it appears that you indeed used that out of context. Maybe you were mad at the time and just wanted to punch my face with something righteous sounding. We aren't enemies parting ways, and I am not against the second amendment. I'm not siding with a foreign adversary over monetary gains for myself which encroach on freedoms for you.

I think you would agree that an agent who takes away another person's freedoms without a justifiable cause doesn't deserve the right to that authority. So a person who shoots to death a bunch of innocent people based on psychosis definitely didn't have the right to gun ownership. If you can't differentiate pre-meditated mass murder based on fictional fears and self-delusion from legitimate self-defense then this writing may be fruitless for you and me.
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Jordy diaspora
@Michael excellent read thank you. ( guns in the closet story ) every form of government in the world tends to drop someone or class of people. Capitalism certainly isn't for everyone but this notion that people are going to fix or control the population by mass murdering to get their views " considered " is beyond my comprehension.....and a solid constitutional fix is almost impossible. A mature outlook for a growing generation without crazy ideologies really does come from parenting, television, and social media, all of which have been let go in the last several years
OsakaAli diaspora
@Michael Rupp I just saw your response. Thanks for taking the time to write it. I am a little pressed for time as I have to prepare to travel. Just as soon as I get a free moment, I will give it the time that it deserves and do my best to get back to you with my own thoughts.
OsakaAli diaspora
Wow, @Michael Rupp, you are all over the place. You make a multiplicity of conceptual, historical and theoretical connections which, frankly, are hard to keep track of. Could be a sign of your genius or of something else.

Let me see if I can sort of distill this discourse to it's essence. Risky it may be, but I am going to give it a try.
And what’s this Man at the pinnacle talk? That sounds like something you have been told and accepted without much thought. Sure we have opposable thumbs and are able to communicate better across long distances so we are in practice better killers of all other living things, but that’s no reason to think we’re special.
This, I believe, points to the heart of the matter. Michael. Which leads me to a simple question: do you believe in God?
I believe these social forums are at a loss for organizing a branching dialogue. This is why discourse often spirals out of control on social media. We need some tree branching format instead of a linear long form.

To be direct, I used to be a person of faith (Roman Catholic), but then I thought about it a lot and rejected faith. It's not something I hide, but I don't want to shove it in peoples faces either. My personal deconversion path is out there in the public. It used to be on g+ but I moved it to a Friendica Forum. As I looked for a link today I realized that content is gone. I think when I posted it, the server settings for "Public Server" were on which enacts automatic expiration of posts.
OsakaAli diaspora
I believe these social forums are at a loss for organizing a branching dialogue.
I thought that by my last comment, I was not running up a branch or twig, but getting closer to the trunk; Maybe even the taproot. But that is just what I perceive. Others may have it occur for them differently.
This is why discourse often spirals out of control on social media.
I agree that this does happen, quite often in fact. Again, by my last comment, I felt that I was lassoing the wild beast of almost free-associative thought and distilling the issues to their most radical, substantive element. I still feel the same while recognizing that others might not agree.
We need some tree branching format instead of a linear long form.
I am tending to agree with you on this. Though I can understand the problem and conceive of the solution in sketch form, I lack the skills to solve it on my own. Perhaps that will change in the future, or perhaps someone like-minded guru might come along and provide an alternative before either one of us (y... show more

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